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into chaos and retreat, but they are failed. our country is strong. >> those who died here, those who saved life here, they help me believe. we may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but i know that how we treat one another, that's entirely up to us. and i believe that for all our imperfections we are full of decency and goodness and the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us. i'm wolf blitzer. fareed zakaria "gps" will not be seen this weekend. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world.
over the past two days, we've seen a father try to put his immeasurable pain into words. >> my family is one of the families that lost a child yesterday. my daughter, emilie, would be one of the first ones to be standing and giving her love and support to all those victims. because that's the type of person she is. as the deep pain begins to settle into our hearts, we find comfort reflecting on the incredible person that emilie was. >> we've also seen parents trying to find words to express their gratitude and their relief. >> we're very lucky that all the children, my son included, had the presence of mind to react appropriately and they basically ran right next to the guy and out the door. >> there will be more words,
there will be more stories today as newtown and the rest of the nation try to make some sense out of this tragedy that took the lives of 20 children. i'm joined this hour by cnn's soledad o'brien. soledad? >> good morning to you, wolf. here's what we know right now. this morning, connecticut's chief medical examiner will be performing autopsies on the gunman, adam lanza and on his mother, as well, who was killed at her home. the results of those autopsies we're expecting to be released at a news conference that will be held later today. also today, president obama will be in newtown. he will speak at a memorial service. before that service, he will meet with members of the victims' families and also with first responders, as well. we know the names were made public last night. 12 girls, 8 boys killed in all. either 6 or 7 years old and 6 adults killed at the school, as well. they were all women. the medical examiner said the primary weapon in the massacre was a semi-automatic rifle that
was found at the scene and every victim he examined, which were seven victims, had been hit more than once. one case 1 1 ti1 times. he penetrated the school building by literally shooting his way into the entrance with an assault weapon. wolf? >> soledad, the day before a gunman massacred 20 school children in their classrooms all ages 6 or 7, first graders right here in connecticut. lawmakers in michigan passed a bill that would allow people to carry concealed weapons in schools, despite the objecs of the school state boards. in illinois they struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons. in florida, officials announced they would soon issue their millionth concealed weapon and firearm license. as the country absorbs another mass shooting, president obama used his weekly saturday address to repeat his call for change. >> any of these neighborhoods
could be our own. so we have to come together and we're going to have to take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this from happening, regardless of politics. >> but that will be a tough sell for some gun control opponents. >> the simple facts are, guns exist. they are especially 1800 technology. they're easy to make, they're not going anywhere. they last several human lifetimes with minimal maintenance. so, since guns exist and we know, for a fact, that the only way to stop an evil person like the person you were discussing earlier in the show is to shoot him. >> joining us now from the time warner center in new york democratic representative jerry nadler of new york who says the time for more strict gun control is right now. congressman, thanks very much for coming in.
when the president says we need "meaningful action right now" what do you want him to do? >> well, i want the president to take the leadership and use the bully pulpit of the presidency to lead a crusade for meaningful and strong gun control legislation. you know, the united states -- and he's the only one that can do it, really. we know gun lobby has strong support in congress because members of congress are terrified of their alleged political power. but a president can lead a campaign and can direct the moral of the country and members of congress or senators refuse to support strong gun control legislation. and we know it, we've heard all the nonsense. >> congressman, sorry for interrupting, but how disappointed are you that in his first term this was not a high priority for him, if a priority at all? >> i don't want to get into that. what i care about is what happens now. the president had a lot of
things on his plate. he had a depression and obstructionist congress. if the president steps up and leads the crusade and we save, god knows how many lives by getting something done, that will be great. that will be a monument to his administration. >> you've been in congress for a long time, so, what's realistic? what do you think, what kind of legislation can be passed by the senate and the house, the president would sign it into law that is realistic given the opposition. >> well, i think we can get laws to ban automatic weapons and no hunter needs an automatic weapon to shoot at birds or deer or whatever. we can ban high-capacity ammunition clips. that have no use except by the military or for mass murder. we can pass legislation to limit gun trafficking, so no one, so a
gun shop can't sell more than a specified number of guns at a time. we can ban the gun show exception. at a gun show, unlike at a gun store, you can sell anything, you can sell an automatic rifle and you can sell high-capacity clips to anyone without a background check. no one in his right mind thinks people with mental health problems or people on the terrorism list or people who are felons should be able to get deadly weaponry. let me just say, i know that there will probably be people on this show later or maybe there were who will say that guns don't kill people, people kill people and you should arm more people and that will stop the crooks. but the fact of the matter is, there was a maniac on friday who attacked an elementary school in china with a knife, not a gun. 22 children were injured. nobody died. we have 9,000, 1,146 murders
with guns in the united states or deaths in the united states a couple years ago. germany had 158. canada 173. the united states has 15 times more than anybody else on a populpo population basis. there is one reason and one reason only, insane attitude towards guns. the nra should stop, they won't. we should stop them from being enablers of mass murder. >> being the national rifle association. congressman, thanks very much for your perspective. >> thank you. >> jerriey edjerry. former chief economist at the u.s. sentencing commission and author of the third edition of the book "more guns, less crimes." thank you very much for coming in. i'll give you a chance to respond. the united states has a lot more murders, you just heard from
congressman nadler. he said it's because there are so many guns that are so easiil available out there. >> well, you look at the murder rates in the other countries whether if be germany he just mentioned or others and they had lower murder rates relative to the united states before they had the gun control laws. when britain, other countries, ireland, jamaica, other places imposed gun bans, murder rates went up. americans have seen that in places like chicago and washington, d.c. every place in the world that we have crime data both before and after a gun ban has gone into effect, every single place has seen an increase in murders after the ban has been put in place. many times, it's been several fold or more increase in murders. a simple reason for that. that is when you ban guns, it's basically the most law abiding citizens who turn in their guns, not the criminals. and rather than making more difficult for criminals to commit crime, you actually make it easier.
>> what do you say to the legislation that the congressman would like to see passed. tightening up some of these restrictions. making it more difficult, for example, for mentally ill people to go out there and buy some semi-automatic weapons. >> wolf, i guess you would have challenged them a little bit on claims about automatic weapons and some of the other things he was making. you know that these aren't involved in any of these types of cases that we're talking about here. but the point is, we've tried a lot of these laws already in the united states. we had the assault weapons ban. there's no study, no academic study by an economist or by criminologists that has seen when the assault weapons ban, there was any increase in murder rates. you can go from politicians from dianne feinstein and chuck schumer and others who were predicting huge increases in murders and robberies after
sunsets. robbereralties are lower now than they would have been otherwise. even when the clinton administration paid for academics to go look at the impact of the original assault weapons ban in 1994, they did not find any statistical evidence that it had improved crime rates in any way. and, you know, so, we're talking -- >> let me interrupt for a second, mr. lott. hold on for a second. the dushmaster a semi-automatic rifle that apparently killed all the kids and the teachers in the school. >> right. semi-automatic and he was saying automatic. there is a big difference between a machine gun and something that is a hunting rifle. look, regular civilians. >> why do people need a semi-automatic bushmaster to go out and kill deer? >> look, most hunting rifles are semi-automatic rifles. okay. people used semi-automatic -- >> is the bushmaster a hunting
rifle? is the bushmaster a hunting rifle? >> right. the inside guts of it in terms of how it functions is a hunting rifle. the outside of it is what people get upset about, but whether -- when you talk about somebody using an ak .47 in one of these attacks, not the type of gun militaries use around the world. this is a military version. you have been working on this long enough, you know these are civilian versions of these guns. look, when civilians -- it's very important for them to have semi automatic weapons for defense. if you had a single shotgun and two criminals attacking you or you missed the first time you fired at a criminal, you'd be in a lot of trouble at that point. so, if you want to go and talk about banning the vast majority of guns, which is semi-automatic, fine, we can talk about the costs and benefits of doing that. here's the big thing that nobody is talking about. that is, all these attacks are
occurring in places where we ban guns. you know, you go and look at the aurora, colorado, shooting. there were seven movie theaters within a 20-minute drive of that, of where the killer lived. only one of the seven had postings banning concealed handgun permits. he didn't go to the movie theater closest to his home. he didn't go to the largest movie theater. he went to the only one that banned guns. whether it's the portland mall shooting earlier this week or the other -- every single one of these cases ban guns. >> mr. lott, i have to interrupt you because , unfortunately, we are out of time. you made your case, we made your point. i expect this debate over guns in the united states is only just beginning. right now, especially president will be on his way here to newtown in a few hours. i suspect he will get involved much more assertively in his
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last night to begin the healing, if that is at all possible. i sat down with the reverend matthew crevin. >> both of you, rabbi and reverend, you have been spending time with family members. >> it is the worst tragedy that i've seen in my life and very hard to console a parent that just discovered that their children were amongst the victims. >> reverend, you met with parents who lost kids. >> yes. well, we were both there yesterday in the firehouse with the families during that whole process. and it was just indescribable in terms of the grief and the waiting and trying to be present to them and also to many of the
folks that emergency services and police officers sxu s and o who were just feeling the loss and the sorrow of the magnitude that was happening. >> rabbi, one moment yesterday when you were in the firehouse with those families that stands out that you'll never forget in your life? >> yes, some images that's when the news came from the governor that the children did not make it and the wailing of the parents and just sort of the groping and trying to reach for something intangible. horrific scene. >> you were there, too? >> i was there, too. it was holy ground and as people have talked to me and asked me about it, i typically tell people it was holy ground and i honor the holiness of that place and space and the people that were there, as best i'm able.
it's something you never want to be in a room like that ever again, but in the tragedy, there is this sense of the holiness of it. just unmitigated loss and tragedy and honoring that and honoring those families in their grief. >> we need to have a culture of peace and so many of the young games that we have as children at very young ages is about war and killing and we can make, we're an intelligent country, we can make wonderful games that have to do with peacemaking and diplomacy and it doesn't take any intelligence to pull a trigger. >> what are you suggesting, the shooter in this particular case grew up in a culture of violence? >> yes, that our entire civilization is too inundated with the culture of violence. that there can be an incentive and a fun game that has to do
with learning about other people and the world and dealing with grievances through active dip m diplomacy. >> so many people have said to me, reverend and rabbi, how can god allow something like this to happen? what do you say? >> one of the things i first say in this moment is that this is not the moment to answer that question. at least not to the families that are in grief. i think there are answers. there are answers from my tradition that speak to suffering and how suffering can be transformative. how as a christian i understand that there are ways in which we can transform and be transformed in the mist of suffering. that's not a question i try to answer today because people don't need to hear what becomes an oversimplistic answer to something that is so profound. >> what will be the central message that you tell your
congrugnts tomorrow morning? >> i will be preaching a message that even in the midst of darkness, there is light. it's tragic that we are in the midst of the season for us as christians, which is christmastime and advent and it's a holy time for us, but we also know that in the midst of a season that so often we associate with joy and merriment that it's also a season of darkness. in fact, the gospel of john tells us that the light shines in the darkness and the darkness does not overcome it. i will be preaching a message that we know the light of god is with us and that we can be sustained in that and we can see that light in each other and draw from that life that is a part of our faith. >> the most important thing that we can do as a reaction to this is to thrive. the enemy is the horrible event
and the banquet is the continuing or thriving in life. i lived in israel for ten years and i saw the way that the israelis would pick up and go right to the spot where something terrible happened and the message was we carry on and we will carry on. we have great schools in newtown. this was an isolated incident. this event doesn't define us. we will continue to have great schools and be the great community. matthew and i are great friends and all of the clergy are great friends and we will recover. >> rabbi, reverend, thanks so much. >> thank you, wolf. this just in. the connecticut state police, they will hold a news conference some time in the next hour. we, of course, will bring that to you live when that happens. we're expecting new information from the connecticut state police on this entire killing and what happened. when we return, much more of
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in the wake of friday's shooting, students at sandy hook elementary school are bound to have lots of questions that could be very challenging for their parents to answer. joining us this morning from time warner center is dr. susan lipkin. a siciologist who specialized in
school. susan, if i can, i'd like to start with you. how do you possibly reassure children. those children here in newtown, those children who experienced something horrific and even children who are not here and across the country that their schools are safe when the reality is something terrible happened. >> the most important thing is to talk to the child at their level. to get them to talk, to play, to draw out everything that is in their mind so you understand what level they are at and at that point you have to reassure them. the most important thing is for the parents' demeanor to be calm, not to be anxious. not to be constantly watching the news and to feel secure in themselves because the children will model the feelings that they're getting from their parents. >> when i talked to some of the parents here whose children were literally able to get out of their classrooms, they were going to go for psychological help. what about people, again, who were not necessarily immediately involved in the situation.
how will they deal with the ptsd, would they even experience ptsd just by being near or even not so close to the situation? >> it is possible that they will experience many of the symptoms of stress and maybe post-traumatic stress. that will happen for the first couple of weeks and eventually it will die down and if it does not, then you seek professional care. we would be looking for children and adults who have problems sleeping, who have psychosematic symptoms like headaches and stomach aches and who would refuse to separate and do normal activities. really important to get back to your normal routine and get back to school as quickly as possible for children across the country. >> so, ken, let's talk more specifically about the school. we now know that the shooter was able to basically shoot his way into the school. is it possible to make a school safe without having it be behind bars, essentially? >> we don't need to teach
kindergartners to throw pencils an armed intruders. building relationships with kids and knowing what's going on in your community with families and having basic security measures, like we saw at the school with camera buzzer intercom and make sure that your staff is trained. the best line of defense is a well-trained, highly alert staff and student body, not technology or equipment, but equipment behind it. >> but it sounds like they had all of that. that school security system was put in place by the new school principal, she is now dead. they were very aggressive in knowing their students. >> some situations you can't prevent. but what we expect as parents is two things. number one, schools to take steps to reduce the risks. the security measures and training of your staff and the lockdown drills and, two, being prepared to respond when an incident happens. if we saw a principal and a psychologist run to the gunman to try to save their kids.
that's something i don't know if we can train people to do, but something very much in the hearts of all of our educators today. we do the best we can and we reduce the risks and we train people to respond to minimize our losses and we plan for the worst and prepare and pray for the best. >> there have been gun lobbyists who have both written and been on television shows talking about how if people inside the school had been armed, that the end result could have been less horrific than what they are experiencing here now. you've, obviously, been in the security business for a long time as it relates to schools. have you seen any evidence of that? >> we have school resource officers, police officers who are in our schools across the country, not all schools, but some, and we certainly support that. but teachers want to be armed with backpacks or with books, bo bookbags, computers, technology. they don't want bulletproof backpacks and armed to shoot.
we need to not polites is this issue at a time when we lost kids. >> susan, we know this young man, the shooter, we have been calling him, was disturbed. descriptions by family members, as well. a lot of details still yet to beknownbe own about him. how do you deal with someone who is considered to be disturbed and possibly dangerous and we know that mental health resources are hard for families to get to. we know that guns are readily available in this country. how do you, how do you stop that intersection, which is, obviously, a deadly intersection happening? >> it seems to be impossible. in many ways our mental health system is broken. we need community services so that people can be reported. that there is a 24/7 hotline for people who are unstable and, for example, that the principal might have reported the incident that happened a couple days before and have somebody to investigate. we don't have those services now. and that is something that we
need to develop. >> dr. susan lipkin and ken trump, thank you for talking with me this morning. we certainly appreciate your insight. as wolf mentioned a few moments ago, we're waiting for this news conference. the connecticut state police have been doing a great job coming up to update us. we are expecting it between 11:00 a.m. eastern time and 11:30. ahead, we'll take a closer look at this killer and answer the question that many are asking, which is why. that's straight ahead. we're back in just a moment. mm . and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance.
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welcome back, everybody. memorials like the one you're looking at right here dot many of the corners in newtown, connecticut. they've been set up where people leave votive candles or notes or dolls or teddy bears. this town is hurting. people here are experiencing a very, very deep grief and it is a grief that we are sure the president will talk about as he makes his way here to talk to family members and first responders and take part in a vigil that will be held tonight. we want to get to dana bash in washington, d.c., with a check of the headlines this morning. dana, good morning. >> good morning, soledad. there is a potential breakthrough in stalled fiscal cliff talks. house speaker john boehner is offering something he and other republicans oppose. raising tax rates on the wealthiest americans. that's a condition president obama has insisted must be part of any deal to avert the fiscal cliff, which is a little more than two weeks away. the president wants tax hikes of incomes above $250,000.
the increase starts at incomes of $1 million in exchange for the president agreeing to more significant spending cuts. and secretary of state hillary clinton is recovering from a concussion. she sustained the injury after fainting during a bout with the stomach flu. clinton is being monitored by doctors who recommend that she take the week off. as a result, she will not testify at this week's much-anticipated congressional hearing on september's deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. on the note of talking about the state department, president obama does appear set to nominate senator john kerry as hillary clinton's successor. joining me now for more on this, cnn foreign affairs reporter elise. the biggest open secret in washington, once susan rice took her name out of the running. john kerry would be up there. >> john kerry made no secret for the last several years, actually, that he would love the job. on capitol hill you know that senators have said that he would be easily confirmed.
>> that's right because of republicans and democrats see him as somebody who would be good at the job and, as you said, he's lobbied for it. but what is going to be interesting, elise, this coming week we talked about the hearing is going to happen on benghazi, hillary clinton is not going to be there, but john kerry is the senate foreign relations chair. he is still going to chair that hearing. >> secretary clinton taking the week off to recuperate. her deputy will be testifying for this independent advisory board on the events in benghazi. also be a closed briefing on the hill by members of the advisory board. now, gives john kerry kind of one last chance to show some leadership before he heads over for his confirmation hearings. you know, john kerry really, although susan rice might have been the president's first choice, i think now the administration is coming around to the idea that senator kerry is very wildly respected internationally on his own right. he has done a lot of kind of missions on behalf of the
administration and he's very close to afghan president har midkarzai and the pakistnis. he's also with the policy of engagement early on in the administration he tried to reach out to syrian president assad. he is regretting that now, of course. >> we'll see if the president waits to nominate him because of what happened in connecticut, but we assume it will happen this week. now we'll go back to soledad in newtown, connecticut. soledad? >> dana, thanks very much. we'll talk ahead this morning about the very difficult job for law enforcement in this case. finding a killer amid a school full of children. >> on and off duty troopers responded to the school and with newtown police immediately upon arrival entered the school and began a complete active shooter search of the building. that included checking every door, every crack, every
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welcome back to our special coverage here on cnn. i'm wolf blitzer here in newtown, connecticut. we expect fairly soon the newtown state police to hold a conference here in newtown. you're looking at the microphones being set up right now. connecticut state police will update us on the investigation. president obama also will be here in newtown later this afternoon to thank first responders to meet with some of the victims' families.
he'll also speak at this evening's interfaith vigil starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern. we'll have live coverage, of course, of the interfaith individualvigil. we learned this morning of the autopsies of the gunman and his mother. more information on that coming up. when newtown police stormed into sandy hook elementary school here in the small community, illustrated a shift in the tactical approach that law enforcement has taken in light of the columbine shooting, some 13 years ago. joining us now for a closer look at how law enforcement is dealing with it, what has, unfortunately, become a tragic and sad chapter in america's history. former fbi profiler tom fuentes, assistant director of the fbi and jim johnson, chairman of the, he's first of all, baltimore county police chief and chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. gentlemen, thanks very much for
coming in. chief johnson, let me start with you. the notion of quickly going into a situation like this rather than studying it from the outside. this is a relatively new tactical move, right? >> certainly over the last ten years law enforcement has entered into the active shooter scenario where we do not wait. when we have sufficient personnel and equipment and tools, we make an entry to stabilize the situation. >> the other very disturbing element in this, tom, is that we're seeing more of these young men, they're dressed in military clothing, if you will, armored vests. they're dressed in black and they go in and start killing people. is there a connection, in your mind, what they call copy cats as far as these mass killings are concerned. >> we look at copy cats as somebody following an event. somebody else killed a group of
people and they're going to do it. what they have seen in movies or video games for many years. in those situations they're seeing the rambos of the world dressed up in battle gear and assault rifles and shooting a lot of people. so, if they're trying to prove their manhood, so to speak, in their dilutional world, that may be their way to say they're strong and powerful and they're going to prove it to the world by carrying on as if they're in the special forces operation or something. >> chief johnson, do you agree with that assessment? >> i do. i think america can do a lot more on this issue. the national partnership prevent gun violence in this case. we know that over 40% of all guns are required outside of dealer sales. we know there needs to be a limit on high-capacity magazines. i think america is becoming more aware and more educated about
the facts and circumstances that have led to this, frankly, national public health crisis here and the gun violence we're experiencing across this great nation. >> we earlier, tom, had a debate here. we heard from a congressman who wants tighter gun restrictions and another individual says the more guns out there, the safer all of us will be. this debate has been going on for a long time. all of our viewers know for a long time. i expect it will intensify. tom, what should be done in the short term to deal with this problem? >> in the short term, we need to talk about it. we need to get our congress to talk about, the president to pursue it, state legislatures to actually pursue it and not treat this like it's the third rail of politics and nobody can bring it up because they won't be elected. frankly, you know, the congressman that have just got elected to the next term are already planning their re-election for two years from now. so, there's a fear among them to
take this issue on and end their political careers by trying to take on the powerful gun lobby or some of the misinformation that has been produced out there about gun safety. i know the chief agrees with me. i was a street police officer for six years before joining the fbi. when i was a 21-year-old rookie cop, we were taught you don't fear the bullet out there that has your name on it. you fear the tens of thousands of bullets that are dressed to whom it may concern. that is what we had in these mass shootings. with the exception of the shooter shooting his own mother, the rest of the shoongs, why would he be targeting 5 and 6 year olds and at that particular school. apparently, he had no connection to. so, we're seeing this tremendous amount of gun violence and, again, as a former street cop and an agent for 30 years, law enforcement officers fear going to a domestic disturbance because they know people are highly emotional, probably drunk and armed at the same time. you have that concern making traffic stops.
so, the issue of officer safety, community safety and now the safety of our own children is at stake and has been at stake. the chief is correct, this is a health issue as much as any other type of issue. >> very quickly, chief, give us a final thought. >> well, certainly, i think america is ready for change on this issue. let's address this 40% of gun sales that are outside of that license dealer. let's take a look at high-capacity magazines. if you choose to own a gun, if you have the right to do that, you're a legal owner, lock the guns up. lock those guns up. it'sp haened in baltimore county. this is a lesson we have learned. lock the guns up. >> chief johnson, thanks very much. tom fuentes, as usual, thanks to you, as well. we'll take a quick break. when we return, saying good-bye. and we can save you 10% on ground shipping over the ups store. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later...
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♪ >> just a tragic, tragic situation for the teachers, the principals and those angels, that's all i keep thinking about are those angels. ♪
♪ >> i mean, when things happen to your children and to other people's children, i can't look at my children's faces now without seeing the faces of every one of their schoolmates. ♪ ♪